we've got a house election in two years -- less than two years. >> although, i don't think this is about electoral politics right now. this is about -- this is about dollars and cents for specific interest groups, constituents, supporters of these politicians and their ideological views. so, look, it's not easy to do. and i believe at the end they'll do it, but this is part of the dance, you know, before it gets super intense. >> and you know what else it is? it's sausage being made and it's ugly to watch. but then -- and then i think about closing loopholes. and name your loophole, and i can give you a two-year argument. mortgage. oh, it's going to kill the housing industry, charity, we can talk for two years, what will it do to charity? >> universities and -- yes. >> you name any sacred cow. that's why it's sacred, it's a sacred cow. >> state and local tax deductions, oh, my god, what's that going to do to new york? >> is it easier to do the cap and that gives you the nebulous, well, we're not hurting anyone -- >> yes. >> would that work? >> yes. i mean, a lot of tax policy experts lik